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Райан Доусон: «(Uncle) TED Talks» — разговор о манифесте Унабомбера и личных письмах

Источник: https://www.ryandawson.org/p/uncle-ted-talks-56c

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Длинное гостевое интервью Доусона, посвящённое манифесту Теда Качинского («Industrial Society and Its Future», 1995). Собеседник Доусона приходит «в футболке Uncle Ted» и говорит, что только начал читать манифест и поражён, насколько Качинский «опередил своё время в диагностике леваков»: «беременные мужчины», «прозак как mind control», «мисфит-социум» — всё это, по их мнению, Качинский описал ещё в конце 1970-х.

Центральная идея, которую разворачивает Доусон: для Качинского человек эволюционно настроен на «power process» — труд, риск, автономию, материальную включённость в добычу; индустриальное общество эту психическую структуру стирает. Когда «среда адаптируется под нас», а не наоборот, появляются массовые психические проблемы (Доусон ссылается на «одного из четырёх с тем или иным психическим расстройством», депрессии, нарциссизм); «Karens — это побочный продукт индустриального общества». Главная этическая нить: ценность даёт процесс, а не цель. Доусон приводит школьный пример: играть в шахматы с пятилетним или со суперкомпьютером — не весело; играть с равным — весело. Цель «инстант-удовлетворения» (легко спуститься вниз и купить сэндвич) не даёт исполненности; «fulfillment отличается от happiness и приходит от обоснованного, посильного усилия». Параллельная фигура — Дерек Дженсен с тезисом «идеология бесконечного роста — это идеология раковой клетки».

Прогностическая часть: Качинский, по Доусону, предсказал нарастание массовых стрельб людей на SSRI, mind-control через лекарства, появление машинного интеллекта (он не называл это AI — он называл «машины»), ускорение ядерной гонки, «остров мусора в океане», gain-of-function. Качинский, добавляет Доусон, как «учёный с IQ 160, математик-гений, шизофреник, но умный шизофреник», подавал не «рецепт», а «описание»: «учитывая нашу психологию, мы сделаем следующие глупости». Биографически Доусон сообщает: Качинский попал в неосведомлённый эксперимент по MK-Ultra (психологические пытки в Гарварде у Генри Мюррея), пробовал избежать Вьетнама симуляцией «крайне странного состояния», диагноз шизофрении, заявленная им compatibility-самозащита (не хотел признаваться невменяемым ради смертного приговора). Манифест опубликован, потому что брат сдал его в ФБР. Качинский «покончил с собой 10 июня» — в годовщину того, как пресса дала ему прозвище Unabomber из бомбы в самолёте United Airlines.

Самая необычная часть интервью — собственные переписки Доусона с Качинским. По его словам, у него в ящике «целая стопка писем», и Качинский в письмах подавал зашифрованные сообщения через царапины ногтем по открытке (одна — из Австралии с часовой стрелкой), через слегка изменённые курсивы и «выпирающие» буквы. Доусон в школе сделал собственный «CSI» — построил матрицу из положения стрелок часов, перевернул карту «потому что Австралия — низ глобуса», и получил имя; имя оказалось одного из «целевых лиц» Качинского. Он считает, что Качинский так пытался передать ему имена будущих или прошлых мишеней, в том числе из «Epstein-сети». Доусон утверждает, что Качинский «взорвал двух клиентов Эпштейна, оторвав им руки», и что он знал о существовании этой сети ещё до того, как сам Эпштейн стал её публичным лицом — поскольку «Эпштейн вошёл в готовую сеть, а не создал её с нуля». Здесь же — спорное утверждение Доусона, что Unabomber «не действовал в одиночку», у группы было ещё двое сообщников (в Калифорнии и в Мексике); название «FC» — «Freedom Club», и финальная бомба, по его словам, была отправлена «другим человеком», который «по сути ушёл от ответственности». (Эти утверждения публично не подтверждены; официальное расследование считало Качинского единственным.)

Часть интервью уходит в эстетику и культурную теорию. Качинский, по Доусону, объяснял, почему все люди одинаково любят звёздное небо, водоёмы, чистое лучше грязного: это эволюционно «вшитые» паттерны среды, в которой развивался вид; вытаскивание из неё ломает психику. Поэтому люди по-прежнему разводят костры и держат камины — у них уже нет утилитарной нужды, но психически есть.

Концовка — про современное. Доусон рассуждает, как изменилась бы его жизнь, если бы он не прочитал манифест рано: «scales fell from my eyes», манифест дал ему «выход из матрицы». Самая рекомендуемая книга? «Uncle Ted all day»; для экономики — Рон Пол, Томас Соуэлл; для одной ниши — Дерек Дженсен. Финал интервью сворачивает в политику: Скотт Хортон в Миннесоте посмотрел фильм Доусона про 11 сентября и сказал, что тот его «заставил пересмотреть» позицию; обсуждение Тулси Габбард и обыска её офиса, файлы MK-Ultra и JFK как приоритет вместо UFO-файлов; прогноз по Томасу Мэсси («может выиграть, могут и убить, как JFK, если станет угрозой Epstein-классу»).

Значимость

Это, возможно, самый личный и одновременно самый проблемный материал дня. Сильная часть — внятная экспозиция аргументов Качинского про «power process», ценность процесса и психику индустриального человека: на этом уровне разговор полезен как введение в его манифест. Слабая — нагромождение спорных утверждений (Качинский «взорвал двух клиентов Эпштейна», группа из трёх сообщников, имена через царапины ногтем на открытке, MK-Ultra как причина радикализации), которые либо публично не подтверждены, либо являются собственной интерпретацией Доусона. Контекстуально пост сцеплен с «Holocomania» и с его «moral camouflage» — продолжает выстраивать собственную мифологию о «Epstein-классе» как корневом феномене всех остальных сюжетов недели.

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(Uncle) TED Talks

Источник: https://www.ryandawson.org/p/uncle-ted-talks-56c

I see you've got your Uncle Ted shirt on.

Yeah, I was going to ask about that too.

Mark's been reading the manifesto.

Yeah, I just started reading the manifesto. I was skimming it because I thought maybe we'd talk about it. But what I didn't realize, industrial society and its future, I didn't realize he was so on point and ahead of his time when it comes to nailing the leftists.

Yep. Everything we saw In like 2020, 2021 Pregnant men, all that crap He called it And you know He finally got published in the 90s But he wrote that in the late 70s

It's unbelievable how far ahead and how intelligent it was.

Well, he had 160 IQ, math genius, all that, and schizophrenic also, but a smart schizophrenic. And he's not giving a prescription. He's giving a description. He's saying, this is industrial society's future. Not what I want it to be, not what it could be, what it's going to be. Given our psychology and the way we behave, we are going to do the following stupid things. One is mind control through drugs, which we saw from Prozac on, like he predicted all that. All the different mental ailments we're getting from alienating ourselves from nature and work. Because Ted's idea is people think of evolution physically. They just think, oh, you adapt to your environment. but humans are unique in that we make our environment adapt to us we have air conditioning we have this we have that our environment is actually each other like our main like force is not the the mountains and the sea and stuff and hasn't been for a long time it's other people it's cities it's the things we build and yet primarily we're hardwired that we are ingrained in our psyche is a certain level of autonomy and way of living that actualizes potentials, both like social, intellectual, physical, so on, that when you strip them away, it causes depression and all these mental things that didn't exist in the past that we have so prevalent today, like one in four people have some sort of mental problem.

Depression is a big one narcissism all these things that are really fixable if just like we're we've created an artificial environment that is corrosive to our power process as he calls it and our autonomy and the over sexualized leftists are symptom of of this artificial system, the Karen culture and stuff. Karens are mentally ill, like Ted would argue. Karens are a byproduct of industrial society. He goes a long thing in his surrogate activities. I don't know how far you read, but on what could happen, some solutions, although low percentage, he gives. but we've really separated ourselves and when you sit at a desk for six hours like school kids you know it's so unnatural and why would you expect them to be healthy from that they're not and they're not gonna be but the machine the system demands it or the matrix where he called it the system the system needs us to work the nuclear power plants and all these complex systems within it and it doesn't question your time like but we need you like we needed him to be a little math genius and do this for the system like why I don't want to do that you know but we we have to create these professionals and it takes many years of schooling to get somebody to do a thing and that they're really not in control of their own life and so they're all in all these recreational drugs and things that try and change their internal state because their external environment is screwing them up so bad and this is part of the problem is uh we're focused on goals like I can go downstairs and get a sandwich with minimal effort just go boom is there right I don't have to hunt a pig or anything and I don't have to grow the wheat and make the bread and I don't have to do any of that I can instantly get it how much happiness do you think I get from going to the store and getting a thing and maybe a drink like not much you know because the end is not what gave us fulfillment it was the process and I remember explaining this in an essay in high school I said like winning is not what matters if you play a five-year-old in a game of chess and you kick his ass it's not really fun and if you play supercomputer and it just destroys you that's not fun either but if you play a friend that's like around your level and one of you wins The game is fun for both people.

It's the process. It's like a cheat code in a video game. You just run down the field and all mad in the score because you have an unbeatable. It's not fun. It's not the goal. You have to have a goal because you don't have an aim without a goal. But it's the process that gives things value. Value comes from struggle. And the more you instant gratification you have and the more of these struggles that you solve yeah you'll be comfortable at first but then it will lead to depression because you're not actualizing your potentials and this is what is messing us up mentally is we're removing the the process from a lot of things and I think he's got a real salient point and I don't know how long ago we talk about this but it goes on and on and I think he called it that's why we call him the prophet he explained the stuff we're going through now the crazy leftism totally divorced from reality what's a woman like that just seemed insane and then here there was you know pregnant men he said it and there's going to be more random violence shootings mass shooting we're seeing that too almost always on SSRIs people are just losing it because they don't see a future they don't want to be a cog in a machine I know like what a lot of people just need is Ryan Dawson Ryan Dawson this is not a single thing you can pinpoint it's just all of it it just destroys you you won't come out of there the same person and you see that these big megaopoly in new york city is kind of like that most people don't live there they just work there and leave right but it just this the pace and the stress and the constant like you you're not meant to live like that But everything Derek Jensen talks about this, he's a sociologist and an author.

It's like progress, progress, production, production, production, more production. Like why? That's the ideology of a cancer cell. Like we won. We have contraception and a surplus of food. Slow down. You got it. Like that's the essential. But not like you got to have this and this and this. And I really think Ted Ted even touched on AI like in the future. Like he was talking about he didn't call it artificial intelligence and he just called it machines. Machines. Yeah. Robots machine. If a machine could do this, you know, instead of you, it's going to replace you. And like It's scary. I have a whole bunch of letters from Ted. Like a whole drawer full. And some of the things he said, I'm like, please don't say that because you've been right so far. And that scares the hell out of me. But he talked about gain of function. He talked about the trash island in the ocean. He talked about faster and quicker and more and more nuclear weapons.

Like we're getting closer and closer to a nuclear Armageddon. That could be one way. Super disease gets out. That could be another way. And because this is how we are. And he said, it doesn't matter. I'm like, well, you could. I mean, don't give me coulds. Give me does. He's like, will Big Pharma create a supervisor? Yes, they will. Are they going to keep polluting the oceans? Yeah, they are. Are they going to keep building nuclear weapons? Yes, we are. Is some idiot going to get one off one day? Yep. Yeah, he's right. It's the weirdest thing. We have people smart enough to build these things and dumb enough to use them. but it's true and always has been when people line up in a row and shoot at each other yeah I did that all the time we're dumb and we're really dumb compared to Ted and he must imagine having an IQ of 160 yeah it would be like like you today hanging out with 7th graders for the rest of your life and there's no teacher like that's the maximum like everyone else is only in 7th grade and you just got to deal with that.

Of course, you go live in a cabin in the woods because they're all dumb and you can't. They're just too stupid to reason with. I know that's what it's like to be that ahead of the curve is really hell to be that much smarter than everyone else. Isolating four or five people on Earth you can actually talk to.

Right. So what's the solution? What would the profit do to get us out of this? De-industrialized to a degree? What do you think we should do?

Revolutionaries he talks about, but he doesn't have a lot of hope.

You know what was interesting is he blew up two Epstein clients. We blew the hands off of them anyway. How did he know back then? Because Epstein didn't get going until the very late 80s, early 90s. How did Ted know because he's Epstein didn't create that ring. He walked into a pre-existing network and Ted was going after him. It's incredible. You know, he suffered. He was an MKUltra unwilling participant.

You know the details.

No, it wasn't acid. It was more psychological torture, conspiratorial ganging up on him, berating him constantly, belittling and humiliating. He faked an illness so he didn't have to go to Vietnam. Just so because he didn't want to. He's like, I think I'm a girl or whatever. Just something crazy because he didn't want to go shoot people in Vietnam. But he wasn't crazy about that, but he did start to lose it. He definitely has schizophrenia and his brother knew that he tried to claimed competency because he wanted the death penalty. His manifesto was published and he was ready to die because there's nothing worse for Ted to be put into a noisy prison with a bunch of morons. And his brother came in and said, no, no, Ted's sick. And he's like, you asshole. Now I'm going to get life. because I'm insane and he's like if you loved me you would have let him kill me he ended up killing himself on June 10th which was the anniversary of when he was dubbed the Unabomber from United Airlines bomb Una that he hit he didn't blow it up he could have he knew how he did a little barometer bomb as a warning but what a lot of people don't know is Unabomber just because Una sounds like like one uh but that was actually United Airlines in UA he wasn't alone he had a group he did not send all those letter bombs himself there were three people in his ring and but he took all the blame and the guy that actually at the very end they killed two people and the guy that sent that bomb uh essentially got away with it and he lives in California or he might be dead by now I don't know but he last time I checked in and but Ted just took all the heat it was his manifesto and all but there were people in the FC little fucking cunts really stupid name um and one guy in Mexico one guy in California that were doing the same thing it was Unabombers and he screwed up once because he had something shipped from the west coast at the time that he did an ATM withdrawal in Montana for 10 bucks and he can't be in two places at once so that was his cohort and I'm not even going to tell him I did from when he was in jail yeah after he wrote to him and he wrote back yeah yeah I didn't write a letter from the Unabomber pal yeah once he was in jail he sent little cryptic messages in him to you know this guy's a mathematician and the guards read everything he does.

He's very clever. He sent me a postcard one time from jail, but the postcard was a picture in Australia. That's weird. Why would you do that? Had a clock in the background. And with his fingernail or something, it wasn't there was no marker, but with his fingernail, he like made a dent, like a spiral on the card. So if you held it up to light, you could see the line he had made with his hand or something. they looked at it pen marks pencil marks nothing but I like you know I don't know why I'm like what if there's code and I did my own little CSI and he had set up a matrix a simple number matrix and he had used the clock hands and I just I was like hold on let's turn it upside down because it's Australia like haha bottom of the map and then it all made sense and I got a name and the name didn't make any sense I'm like who is this and I go through because it's kind of internet was very young you couldn't just google stuff you know so like who is this something something Epstein not Jeffrey a different Epstein but it was one of his targets and I figured out another name it was also one of his targets I'm like okay I'm not going to figure out the rest of these he's just listing the people he bombed because he's bored or something I was wrong he was talking about Jeff Epstein but because there happened to be an Epstein who he hit I thought it's that one and I didn't but I didn't bother to do the rest of it now that I'm way I did this in high school right now I'm way older and I know the Epstein list you know really well I went back and I was like let me see these letters again I'll show it to you.

I don't have this memorized. Like, I'll show you the math and everything he did. And I'm like, oh, man, he was trying to tell me or you tell anybody.

And, you know,

maybe he wrote the same thing to everyone I don't know who else wrote him or whatever if he sent the same kind of clues what why he would say it to some high school kid I don't know but I always ask them like your manifesto got published they said you're in the middle of making a bomb when they arrested you so like who was the final target or is that a lie or did you have that just in case they didn't publish it and you're in the middle of taking it apart not putting it together I wanted to know What his target was? Well, of course he can't tell me because that would be like, hey, you carry out my mission or something. I was just not what I'm going to do. I was just curious. Who was it? Who was the next one going to be? and he would usually say stuff like, oh, it's all in my book, you know, get this that he wouldn't answer questions like that. But he would put certain letters in cursive and he would put there he would.

He'd make a meme and so he'd have an H and he make that side a little higher or something, just just a little. you'd have to go through almost OCD and look through and decode his stuff and I'm like I guess the prison guards they just look but he was definitely dropping names it was very hard to do because he wouldn't write more than a page usually and a lot of it was less than that it was little postcards and Little Notes, you know, thanks. He signed some of his name. It's kind of creepy that I have these things, but I just needed to know. I was like, this manifesto changed the way I think. Like I read that early and I'm trying to imagine how my life would have been if I had never read his work that early. Because it's like Jeremy Bentham said, the scales fell from my eyes. Like I could just see, I could see the matrix because it had, like it didn't work on me. obviously like look behind me there's 911 there's like I got out of the matrix

because it's head yeah is that your most recommended read I think you said that once that if you recommend more than anything else people read the manifesto I

think I mean there's a lot of good things to read that's a big one yeah You gotta read Uncle Ted You gotta at least see that point of view If you're trying to get out of the matrix And then other things are good at certain niches You know, Ron Paul, Thomas Sowell All those libertarians, Mastiod That are good on economy, on whatever But as far as sociology and the grand picture Uncle Ted all day I mentioned Derek Jensen he's good at the one niche on production whatever whatever but Ed is different like he was uh I call it they are renamed Ted Talks somebody just breaking down the manifesto like it's the bible like on chapter three verse six on over socialized leftist I mean, it's creepy. He's like, imagine a world where they drug... It's like, we're in that world. I mean, George Orwell was kind of a prophet in 1984. He could see things. He was a bit of a futurist. But nobody broke down human psychology as well as Ted.

He had his whole theory on how... we developed a psychological evolution that even aesthetics like art the way your city looks and stuff like people can say art subjective and like kinda generally people like the stars they like bodies of water they like you know certain things we all agree clean is better than dirty most all of us agree and it's because we evolved in a particular environment for however many thousands of years and it is ingrained in us to Like those colors, those shapes, those everything. And we've just been quickly removed out of it. And we didn't adjust. Like people are really broken and they just need to get back into that. People have a fireplace. Why? You don't need it. But for the majority of human history, it was around the campfire. You know, it's comfortable. It's part of what we did. and it's just gone and so we make artificial ones it's funny and people still go out and build bonfires and stuff and there's no reason like physically you don't need to but psychologically you need to it's not about the goal it's about the

process this has been the most fascinating conversation yet Ryan this is so awesome

don't you think fishing is more fun than buying a fish you know like yeah it's a lot easier to buy a fish but It isn't catching the fish. It's the struggle that went into catching the fish and then catching it and all that together is what gives it value.

Yeah it is and you know I was like you back in high school just after high school I was thinking these same things were so disconnected from nature there's nobody does anything for themselves anymore to get that real genuine primal self-satisfaction everything's done for you life isn't supposed to be comfortable and convenient it's supposed to be a challenge and I I knew this long 30 years ago that we had lost our way but Kaczynski puts it in a very clear coherent Ryan Dawson

you got a good formula man to be very fulfilled fulfillment is different than happiness and people are they think like if just pleasure worked you could just masturbate all the time it doesn't that doesn't give you fulfillment like fulfillment does come from a balance struggle but it can't be like the more struggle the more valuable it's not like that it's got to be obtainable with a reasonable amount of struggle not too hard not too easy like that's the day some of the most satisfied people are just like the guy hunting rabbits every day or whatever you know cleaning the they got a thing they do and they live into their hundreds and they're satisfied like whatever matches your potential that's what you need to be doing and when you don't actualize you get depressed and we have so much focus on academics and not much on the physical not much on social not much on creative and definitely nothing on autonomy it's all uh it's all chair stuff it's all mental and you do need some of that but primarily if you think of a hunting party you got to work together you got a certain amount of physical prowess for sure that's been gone the most is the I'm not saying you gotta be like Arnold Schwarzenegger Gym Rat or anything but there's just a certain level of physical activity you gotta do or your body's gonna fall apart but psychologically it hurts you Bruce Lee was right about that like the body and the mind like he used martial arts for his path but it could be whatever it could be any sport could be Ryan Dawson's Anti-neocon Report

What do you think, Gunner? Any more questions?

The best show yet. There's lots of things I still want to talk about. I want to keep that for another show.

Did you see the frog in his reflected?

Oh, nice. Yeah. That's funny.

I got a rainbow frog from when Alex Jones is freaked out calling the frogs gay. I'm like, all right, it's going to be our mascot, rainbow frog.

Scott Horton was in Minnesota and I sat down with him for dinner and we were talking about 9-11 and I think he's wrong about 9-11 but I also think he is an incredible He said he watched my film he didn't say he said it was a great film that's making him reassess but then as soon as you start talking about what could have happened

he's like nope he still is not really

entertaining any of those ideas. So it's one of those things where I don't want any infighting, but I'd also like your opinion on that. And then, you know, next time we have you on, we'll talk about Thomas Massey and Iran. Lots to still talk about.

I'll ask Scott about it like I didn't I knew he was writing a book and then he was doing something so I just didn't bother him yeah and I was and honestly I was kind of tired of it I'd finished the film and I'm like I don't want to talk about 9-11 for a while right because I had to go back you know when you make a movie I'm like I just don't care well like all the people I said involved were involved and it's just like that our own CIA our own FBI it's just it's all laid out in that movie right As far and so is the Iraq War and anthrax and so on as far as like oh well what could have been if not well you know we can speculate but It's there's always going to be different explanations for the same phenomena. Like, is that incompetence or malice? You get that constantly. And but for me, when it happens so many times in a row with so many people that are all involved with each other, it's not incompetence.

Right.

Yeah.

Ryan you're the best man thank you so much for everything that you're doing for giving us your time today keep up the good fight it's obviously having an impact on the whole world I mean the world is waking up to the Epstein class because of your courage and bravery and we'll do whatever we can to fight this fight with you and we appreciate everything that you're doing good sir

yeah follow at ryandawson.org and subscribe it's like less than seven bucks a month unsubscribe from us and subscribe to Ryan we've got jobs we need it's like 24 cents

a day yeah it's not shit you know I'm not talking seven a day it's seven a month yeah yeah you won't even miss it it's like yeah like you said you you get a cup of coffee and a sandwich and you've blown through seven dollars and that you do that in one eating you know for a month We do historical stuff I do Uncle Ted stuff I do Civil War stuff World War II stuff All over the place Currently it's going to be Iran Because that is the Pressing thing I covered Massey's Election as well I hope he wins I think he can It's going to be close He might lose I think he'll edge him out just because of how desperately they threw in so much money at the end makes I think they already know they didn't have enough so yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be

close yeah like you said they do cheat so yeah I don't know he's I just I don't trust anything anymore and they don't though if they don't if he wins will they kill him even you know he's dangerous to the Epstein class

You might be too high profile to get, you know, you'd have to have a car accident or something, but it's, I hate to be that black pill, but you know, you might get JFK'd. I think if he ran for president they might shoot him I think there's one person in Congress okay he votes no on everything they ignore him they do what they've been doing I don't think he'll kill him but he needs to be there for these subpoenas in August because he's got more info now than before I want to ask good man just saying birdie told me late where you're at it's early where we're at

thanks so much Ryan man we love having you on you're our favorite guest by far and everyone please do ryandawson.org say that to all the guests shit no no Casey Pooch was a good interview I really enjoyed it but he doesn't have the the capacity of knowledge that you have man it's impressive I you talk about Kaczynski being a genius what's your IQ I mean your fucking memory is incredible how you can rattle off names and dates and shit it's like I can't do

that just don't smoke weed mean weed affects everyone differently so does alcohol so does any drug but it definitely helps you just be sober yeah I tell anyone like whatever your IQ is it is but it can go down it won't go up but it can go down from drugs so mine is not as high as his I know that it's not 160 that's incredible yeah

that's wild I'm sure yours is up there though I mean again my brother and I have

we're in Mensa and all that stuff but and we're twins so they're interested in da da da but but 160 anyone's a good one's 180 I'm like no it isn't um you know anything in the in the one fifties is exceptional you know you're talking about tenth of a percent of the population so an uncle Ted yeah there's very few people like that who just who can just have the clarity and see it's unfortunate that he got schizophrenia because who knows what he would have done but you know they they messed with them MK Ultra is a real thing they supposedly were gonna release files on that and Tulsi Gabbard had her office raided isn't that crazy yeah And it's like They're doing anything Like here UFO files No no I don't care about that Give me MKUltra Right And give me JFK Yeah Not gonna happen No Alright fellas

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